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2013-11-03 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Afghanistan Already Here
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Posted by trailing wife 2013-11-03 01:42|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [759 views ]  Top
 File under: Arab Spring 

#1 Who'll be able to expel from Syria those tens of thousands of global jihadists?

Israelis will have to decide what they consider the lesser of two evils - Assad or the jihadists trying to topple him. Based on their attacks on Assad, it appears that they prefer the jihadists. We'll see if that pans out as well for them as it did for us, when we sponsored anti-Soviet Afghan rebels via Zia ul-Haq. We did it for a sound reason, namely that determining the lesser of two evils - the Afghan rebels vs the Soviets, who had 20K nukes in their armory - took all of a few seconds. The blowback from the Afghan adventure was bad, but the Afghans helped accelerate the fall of the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union, and that was worth something. Not sure what the Israelis are getting out of a jihadist victory in Syria.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2013-11-03 08:25||   2013-11-03 08:25|| Front Page Top

#2 It appears right now they're getting a lot of chemical weapons depleted through use or destruction.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-11-03 08:29||   2013-11-03 08:29|| Front Page Top

#3 Are the Israelis just trying to keep the conflict alive in a plague on both your houses strategy?

Seems I've heard similar thoughts in the 'burg, no? ;^)
Posted by AlanC 2013-11-03 08:37||   2013-11-03 08:37|| Front Page Top

#4 Who is funding the global jihadist?

These people need targeting.Is it state policy within the Gulf or do they still use the same excuse thats it private businessmen from Kuwait,UAE,Saudi and Qatar.

I would say the religious authority in Saudi/gulf are pulling the strings.
Posted by Ulusoth Shereter7931 2013-11-03 09:06||   2013-11-03 09:06|| Front Page Top

#5 do they still use the same excuse thats it private businessmen from Kuwait,UAE,Saudi and Qatar.

I don't think it's an excuse. And it's not just wealthy businessmen. Islamist fervor for jihads pervades their societies, partly because oil wealth has given them the means to contribute without making a dent in their wallets. The hoi polloi hate our guts, probably more intensely than ordinary Iranians hated our guts in the run-up to the Iranian revolution. The royals are wise to make anti-American noises every so often - it helps defuse the anger of ordinary folk who view them as puppets of the West.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2013-11-03 12:59||   2013-11-03 12:59|| Front Page Top

#6 What they preach in the gulf states explains why they hate every eligion bar wahabbi sunni Islam.

The Govts of the Gulf have influence over this surely?

Why do they not teach feedom of religion?

I spent a week in Dubai and local arabs in full arabic dress code were drinking alcohol in western Hotels.

Fucking hypocrites!
Posted by Ulusoth Shereter7931 2013-11-03 20:24||   2013-11-03 20:24|| Front Page Top

#7 What they preach in the gulf states explains why they hate every eligion bar wahabbi sunni Islam.

The Govts of the Gulf have influence over this surely?

Why do they not teach feedom of religion?

I spent a week in Dubai and local arabs in full arabic dress code were drinking alcohol in western Hotels.

Fucking hypocrites!


This stuff is transmitted from father to son, from some hereditary local imam to his flock. Anyone who gets in the way of these traditions risks deposition or assassination. The Shah and Anwar Sadat are prime examples of what happens to Arab leaders who buck the opinion of the Arab man on the street. Unlike in the West, ordinary Muslims take their religion seriously, and will not be dictated to by liberalizing elites, who drove much of the change in the West. Ironically, we owe our relative internal peace to the fact that Western man is a slave to material comforts, and as long as this is not disturbed, we will put up with the most outrageous slights to traditional values. The Muslim man will kill, often in gruesome ways, members of the literati or leadership who dissent from the orthodoxy. In Afghanistan, Najibullah and his brother were tortured to death, mutilated and hanged by the Taliban not because they were cruel - they were exceeded in cruelty by the Taliban. They were singled out for special treatment because they were apostates, as all Communists are.

Ultimately, Muslims in majority Muslim countries are not blank slates waiting for either the West or their leaders to write on. They have historical and cultural traditions that predate the leader of the moment by 1300 years and will literally defend those traditions to the death, not in open battle, but via subterfuge, assassination and coup. And these traditions are what drive Pakistani leaders to pretend to criticize the use of American drones to kill the Taliban over Pakistani airspace even though any gun-armed 50's era jet aircraft could shoot them down with impunity *and* they are actually personally happy that Uncle Sam is helping them with pest control. The Pakistani man on the street hates the US, and any leader who appears to be openly aligned with the US is obviously tired of public life (and perhaps of life altogether).
Posted by Zhang Fei 2013-11-03 22:58||   2013-11-03 22:58|| Front Page Top

#8 The one thing the US did that collapsed Egyptian popular support for the Muslim Brotherhood was to back it.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2013-11-03 23:59||   2013-11-03 23:59|| Front Page Top

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