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2006-02-23 Europe
Vatican to Muslims: practice what you preach
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Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-23 15:24|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [420 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Is the shoe in mid air?
Posted by Sock Puppet O' Doom 2006-02-23 16:04||   2006-02-23 16:04|| Front Page Top

#2 How entertaining. Let's see if one of the world's most firmly established religions can lead by example and cause another, supposedly, established religion to make good on reciprocity.

Part of me wants to scream, "FAT CHANCE!" But another little part of me is ever-so-slightly hopeful that the Vatican can pull another hat trick like they did in Poland.
Posted by Zenster 2006-02-23 16:40||   2006-02-23 16:40|| Front Page Top

#3 I don't think it will make any difference on the Muslim side at this point, but that such things are actually being said, publicly, is important. One more item on the tipping point scales.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-23 17:07||   2006-02-23 17:07|| Front Page Top

#4 One more item on the tipping point scales.

Bingo, tw!
Posted by Zenster 2006-02-23 17:10||   2006-02-23 17:10|| Front Page Top

#5 it also points out to us Catholics that there are limits to turning the other cheek. Some already knew that. Others, blissfully felt that appeasement/inaction/remaining quiet is taking the moral high ground. Those are the ones we need to wake the F*&k up.
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-02-23 17:23||   2006-02-23 17:23|| Front Page Top

#6 there are limits to turning the other cheek

I know whacha mean, Frank. First you get slapped, then you get spanked and then you run out of cheeks to offer and things get real squirrelly.
Posted by Zenster 2006-02-23 17:57||   2006-02-23 17:57|| Front Page Top

#7 I meant I only do it once - and the left side only. I'm told my right side is my good side. Best eye on the scope as well... :-)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-02-23 18:19||   2006-02-23 18:19|| Front Page Top

#8 and the left side only

Don't tell me you've got some sort of Muslim hang-up about this?
Posted by Zenster 2006-02-23 18:23||   2006-02-23 18:23|| Front Page Top

"it also points out to us Catholics that there are limits to turning the other cheek."

I don't believe there is anything in the Old Testament about turning the other cheek! All that twaddle is New Testament clap-trap intended to encourage a "kindler, gentler" Christianity.

Posted by Vinkat Bala Subrumanian 2006-02-23 18:55||   2006-02-23 18:55|| Front Page Top

#10 LOL - no muslim here - I wipe with both and wash after
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-02-23 19:19||   2006-02-23 19:19|| Front Page Top

#11 No, it is another 'child of the 60's' misreading of the testament. In Christ's time you slapped a social inferior or slave with the back of your hand. If the person slapped turns the other cheek you would be forced to slap with the palm side, which means you are slaping an EQUAL. Not crawling under the table.
Posted by Midway 2006-02-23 19:22||   2006-02-23 19:22|| Front Page Top

#12 hokay - my R.C. "child of the 60's" ('59 actually) teachings sez you may get in one shot. But it will definitely come with a price, and I reserve the right to escalate :-)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-02-23 19:41||   2006-02-23 19:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Jesus gave counsel on what *I* should do when someone slaps *me* in the cheek. No counsel given when they slap someone else's cheek.

Also, the advice is given to individuals. There is no guidance given in the New Testament to nations or governments.
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-02-23 19:50||]">[]  2006-02-23 19:50|| Front Page Top

#14 Reciprocity -- allowing Christian minorities the same rights as Muslims generally have in Western countries, such as building houses of worship or practicing religion freely -- is at the heart of Vatican diplomacy toward Muslim states.

Not doing very well, is it.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2006-02-23 21:38||]">[]  2006-02-23 21:38|| Front Page Top

#15 Midway is dead on - the Radical Islamists/Extremists = Lefties > desperate for Ideo-Validity + Faith-led Modernity in all things.
For Myself the Church is trying hard NOT to say ISLAM AS A FAITH WILL NOT BE SAVED MERELY BY ISLAM FORCING ITSELF ON THE WORLD AND TAKING OVER THE POSSESSIONS AND IDEAS, ETC. FROM THE INFIDELS. Islam must be saved from within, by and for Islam and Muslims, by "true believers" whom believe that God is for all, NOT the FEW vv waffling God-based Policrats, Governmentists, and Regulators, etc by and for the sake of same, THAT GOD MUST BE CONTROLLED!?
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-02-23 23:01||   2006-02-23 23:01|| Front Page Top

#16 One of my hopes and dreams as a Christian is a re-unification of the Church. By that I don't mean under the Pope in Rome or a Patriarch in Constaninople (sp) but a unity of purpose and ideals. I was raised Catholic and still have certain afinity for the creed and practices of the RC Church. At the same time time I am involved with a women who was raised Luthern. And to me donomination differences don't mean shit. And they don't to most priests/pastors I have met either. The world today is in a war for our spirits. On one side there is the faithful that practice moderation and fellowship, no matter there creed or religion. On the other are those whose single minded belief in one aspect of their faith allows them to condone acts beyond the pale.

Just my 2 cents
Posted by Cheaderhead 2006-02-23 23:34||   2006-02-23 23:34|| Front Page Top

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